I think people shouldn't hate others

To settle all of this just watch Dogma!!! better than \\"the Passion\\" and less reading too.

lol religion

Where are all the dinasaurs?

-MANAX

If there is a God, we should fear him, not worship him. With all the deadly diseases and the such on Earth, God must really want to kill us.

And there are actually many Christians who are Christian just because it's more comfortable to beleive that nothing bad will happen to you if you're a good person.

There were lots of good people in this world, and a lot of them were murdered, got a deadly disease, etc. If there is a God, then good things would happen to good people.

Clearly, you didn't read anything provided in the links either.
Now go stick your head back in the Bible and wait for "The End Times".

You do realize that one of this worlds greatest students of the Bible (Martin Luther) [certainly more devout that anyone here], maintained that "The Book of Revelations" was NOT a work insired by God, and that it never belonged in the Bible... don't you?

I repeat, go stick your head back in your flawed theories and do what you Pastor tells you.
LOL

Wow the poster above is a real idiot. He has no idea what he's talking about. I'm suprised the guy arguing for the Bible even entertained such a pathetic argument. I hate it when people who don't even study the Bible try to discredit it with stupid, totally wrong examples like this.

LLLOOOOOLLLL!!!!!!!!!
Ask yourself this…
Q - “Why would a non-believer even remotely care about Jesus’ exact bloodline?”
A - I don’t! I’ll even ignore the fact that Luke says Joseph’s father was Heli,
and Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob. < -- a contradiction.
However….
You have shown me Jesus’ correct ancestry. Thank you.
We both agree that Mary’s hymen was long gone when Joseph dumped a load of ** in her and made a baby. (I can’t help but wonder. Was he a “three-pump-chump” or did he at least let Mary get her rocks off too?)
There was no virgin birth. And that, my friend, is a contradiction. A BIG one
Spin that.

There is also the issue of vast differences in counting errors.
2 Samuel 10:18 David kills the men of 700 chariots.
1 Chronicles 19:18 David kills 7000 men which fought in chariots.
This is the part where you try to tell me that there were 100 men in each chariot or some other nonsense, but if you want to try to explain why this ISN’T a contradiction (which you still claim there isn’t even a single one), this would probably be a good place to start.

http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/ata20050904.htm

Really?!?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/jericho-kids.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/jericho.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a011.html
Is your Mommy helping you with this?

I especially found this part hilarious!!
“Space does not allow a detailed discussion of the evidence, so I will briefly list the main finds and their correlation with the Bible.”
Anyone with common sense can see that it really means, “I really don’t want to discuss the fact that none of this is actually founded in something credible, so let’s just go with what works for us.”

As far as those very same archeologists you mentioned… you also very conveniently left out the part where their findings proved that the city of Jericho DID NOT EXIST in the time of Joshua.
You need to get in line with the rest of the worlds Biblical Scholars who are currently rethinking the timeline of the Bible.
I suggest you do some serious reading and stay away from all these children’s stories you find on the web.

http://www.motherbird.com/jerichohst.html
http://bibleskeptic.googlepages.com/jericho
http://www.rense.com/general12/decon.htm

Tappity tappity tappity
Yeah! We've got those feet moving now! : )
LOL Every last apologetic says the same thing. "You're taking it out of context."
Do you all get the same training???

We’ll deal with the fact that you completely ignored why Jesus was just a common human born to common people in a minute.

#1 So, you simply skate away by saying, “Give to Ceaser what is Ceasers.”?
Laws are laws. Deuteronomy 24:16 is an attempt at changing man’s law to the exact opposite of what is supposedly Gods law.

#2 LOL Slow down! Your gonna get dizzy!
Simple fact. They were told to take the donkey.
I walk into a drug store and put a bottle of baby aspirin in my pocket and walk out, but the alarm goes off and I get caught at the door. I tell the security guard that I can’t afford to take the kid to the doctor and can’t even afford the aspirin. He lets me take it anyway.
I WAS STILL GOING TO STEAL IT.
The intent is taking something that doesn’t belong to you.

#3 I really like how you handled this one. “What He really MEANT was…” LOL
Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven” - - Don’t do this!
Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them." - - Do this!

#4 You really DO have yourself dizzy now.
Ephesians 2:8,9 Paul is saying your faith, not your works will get you into Heaven
James 2:24 Here, it was because of Abraham’s DEEDS (works), NOT merely his faith that granted him salvation.

You’re squirming all right, but you aren’t the Him I was referring to.
LOL Now you are God?

There were 5 contradictions, not 4.
Now. Let’s deal with the Jesus issue that you didn’t answer.
Time and time again, the Bible states that Jesus is the son of Joseph.
“The Good Book” clearly established him as Josephs son.
Luke traces his ancestry all the way back to Adam… through Joseph.
Let’s also take look at 2Samual 12:7 and 1Chronicles. 28:4 which state that the messianic line of descent was to be through Solomon. But Luke has Jesus descending from Nathan. Nathan was never a king.
David was promised that his throne would be established forever. Nathan had nothing to do with this promised line.

Sure looks to me like Jesus was confused for somebody else.
At any rate, he was merely a “son of man”, not son of God.

When we get done with all of the contradictions, we can move on to all of the inaccuracies (such as the fact that Jericho didn't even exist at the time of the supposed walls tumbling down) and then we can deal with all of the outright absurdities.

Oh and by the way there's no squriming here. I've studied every single alleged Bible contridiction and know why they are not contridictions so i'm open to any thing you want to bring up. Lets do it.

As usual you people simply take one verse and don't read the whole thing.

1. For you first alleged contridiction
Exodus 20:5
vs
Deuteronomy 24:16

In Exodus if you read the beginning of the chapter you will see that God is talking about his laws for worship. He clearly states in verses 3-4 that the Israelites shall have no other god before him. He here is clearly stating that the punishment for the worship of other gods will not just fall on you but to your children and even your childrens children. Where as in Deuteronomy 24:16 he is talking about punishment for breaking the law. This entire chapter of Deuteronomy is talking about laws on how to treat your hired workers and servants and what happens if you are found guilty of breaking these laws. He was simply stating that the Israelites were to only punish the person who committed the crime and no one else because it was common practice in those days by warlords to destroy entire families because the crime on one family member. This is in no way a contridiction. For if both punishments were about the same thing then yeah it would be a contridiction. But in Exodus 20:5 he's talking about the punishment of your sins against God and in Deuteronomy 24:16 He's talking about the punishment of the crime against man. Two totally different things.

2. For you second alleged contridiction
Exodus 20:15
vs.
Luke 19:29-34

You really can't be serious about this one!!!!??? I mean come on. Yes Exodus 20:15 states "thou shalt not steal" but once again you are just picking out peices of scripture and not reading the whole passage or story. In Luke 19:29-34 Jesus instructed His diciples to loose the donkey. When they were confronted about loosing the donkey the responded just as He told them "The Lord hath need of him" and they were allowed to take the donkey. They did not sneak in and take it without the owners knowledge. The owner not only knew they were taking the donkey but gave his permission. This same story is also told in Mark, and Mathew. If you would have read those versions of the same story you would know that the owner of the donkey allowed the diciples to take it. Plus if a crime was committed they would have had some altercation one way or the other. This is in no way a contridiction. Jesus' diciples didn't steal anything they had permission.

3. For your third alleged contridiction.
Exodus 20:4
vs.
Exodus 25:18

Ok I thought you were going to come up with something for real. A 10 year old sunday school student can see that this isn't a contridiction. First of all in Exodus 20:4 God is giving Moses the ten commandments. One of which is "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" Exodus 20:4. This verse, once again if you read the entire chapter, is instructing the Israelites not to create an image of anything on earth out of gold to worship it. The pathetic thing about this is that you, in your first alleged contridiction, used the verse Exodus 20:5 which explains Exodus 20:4. That lets me know that you probably went on the internet and found these and just posted them here. But anyway in the verse you claim contridicts it, Exodus 24:18, God is instructing the Israelites how to build his tabernacle. He told them to build an altar so that He could dwell in it and govern his people. This verse isn't instructing the Israelites to worship any image made of gold or silver. It's simply giving them instructions on how to build Gods throne. For this to be a contridiction he would have to have said build this and worship this. But instead he only says build my tabernacle this way. Never once does God instruct them to worship anybody but Him. Once again no contridiction here.

4. And for you last pathetic attempt
Ephesians 2:8,9
vs.
James 2:24

Ok first of all in Ephesians 2:8,9 Paul the author is talking about Salvation. Which only comes through Jesus Christ. This entire letter was written to the church in Ephesians. During Pauls time the church in Ephesians did many good works for Christ, but they were not living right. In other words they would help the poor but would boast about it. They would build huge churches but were not being true to the Christian Faith. Paul simply let them know that you can not make it to heaven simply by doing good deeds. That was was meant by the word "works" used in this passage, which was translated from the greek word meaing deed, or good work. In James 2:24 the author is talking about the importance of faith. In this book the author here was teaching about how faith without works is dead. In the few verses above James 2:24 he explains by using Abraham as an example. Abraham was a man of great faith. But his works proved it by his willingness to sacrafice his only son to God without any questions. Because his faith was so great he did the works of God with no hesitation. But had he not been willing to sacrafice his son his faith would have been for nothing. And that's what John was talking about in this chapter. He was teaching that no matter how much you say you have faith in Christ if you don't follow his teachings then you faith is useless. So to conclude these two verses are talking about two totally different things. Therefore its not a contridiction.

And just let me say that I don't think you even know the meaning of the word contridiction. In order for there to be a contridiction you must state one thing, then turn around and state the opposite. For instance if I said I went home on july 29th 2008 and traveled east, then the next day said I went home on july 29th 2008 and traveled west. Then that's a contridiction. But not if I say I went home on july 29th and went east. And then turn around and say I went home on july 30th and went west. That's not a contridiction. And that's what all of your alleged contridictions were. You simply took two pieces of a story that by themselves would appear to be a contridiction, and tried to pass it off as a contridiction. And quite frankly I'm disappointed. I thought you would atleast put up something I'd have to research or take more than a minute to destroy. I really believe you just went on the internet and copied the first four alleged contridictions that you googled. Very sad.

LOL! How did I suddenly become a disciple of Satan?
HELLLOOO! No God = no Devil.
I also never said I believe in Karma.

There isn't a single contradiction in the Bible?
I’ll give you 5 and let’s start right here. (and this one’s a biggie)
Jesus’ heritage is traced back through Joseph. Supposedly, Joseph had nothing to do with it.
Kinda negates the whole “virgin” thing.

You’ll like this one. This is where you contradicted yourself.
Exodus 20:5
vs
Deuteronomy 24:16

Exodus 20:15
vs.
Luke 19:29-34

Exodus 20:4
vs.
Exodus 25:18

Ephesians 2:8,9
vs.
James 2:24

Please show me why these aren't contradictions.

Why do you keep hanging onto the idea that I need proof?
I've stated that I don't. You seem to need it though.
Also seems to me that you can't fathom faith in something that you don't believe in.

You are the zealot I spoke of earlier.

You know, it would actually be fun to find out I'm wrong.
I've got an awful lot of serious questions I'd like to see Him squirm on.

First of all there isn't a single contradiction in the Bible. You name any one of the supposed 300 and I'll show why it isn't a contridiction. That's why it hasn't been thrown out. For centuries people have claimed that there are contridictions in the Bible and for years they have been proven wrong. That's why it's still here.

And as for the different versions of the Bible that's due to the many different languages that it has been translated in. If you read any of them you will see that while the words may be a little different the message doesn't change.

And as for brain surgery and limb attachments while they are amazing in what they do, they still pale in comparison the the limbs, and organs that God created. Even our most sophisticated technology can't compare to the function of original organ. That's why we have transplants. If we could create a heart that's better than the one we are born with then we would not need transplants. I don't knock medical science. It's great but it's merely and cheap imitation of what God created from the beginning.

As for morals I wasn't talking about man's laws they mean nothing. Even the average joe can comply to simple rules. I'm talking about the teachings of Jesus and the laws of God. These are rejected because they are not what humans perceive to be normal. That's the basis of your evolution. To undermine the Power of the true God.

And as for your faith in evolution I like the way you danced around all the questions I posed about your so called faith. You didn't answer on single question about any missing links or transitional forms, or anything pertaining to evolution. Just like when somebody gets caught red handed they try to place the blame somewhere else. But I know why you can't answer the questions because there is not answer. Evolution is a joke. It's just something people use to fool themselves into believing they don't have to answer to God. I also noticed how you claimed that there were 300 contridictions in the Bible and didn't name a single one of them. I'm still waiting on those.

But see that's the difference in real Christians and every single person I've ever met that believes in evolution. Ever evolutionist I met who have grabbed a hold on this pathetic theory has not been willing to answer any of the major wholes in evolution. They won't even try. Instead they cast pointless and baseless accusations at creationist and the Bible. Believing in evolution is like saying Star Wars is real.

And as for your little story about the baby, why do you blame that on God? God is not responsible for suffering and heartache in this world we are. His will isn't for us to suffer. But see that's where you non believers stop reading. You only read about God and his grace. You only read about how God is mercyfull. And while that may be true he's also just. It's funny how most of you believe in Karma, what goes around comes around. But yet you don't take the time to understand it. Sometimes things happen to children as a result of what their parents did. If you read the Bible and trully study it you'll understand this. Your actions don't just effect you. They effect every aspect of your life, children included. Second of all why don't you study more about the master you choose to follow. The devil. I mean doesn't it make more sense that the prince of darkness, is responsible for the tragedies of this earth. You willingly follow the devil and obey him and when bad things happen you want to blame God. But see i don't expect you to understand this now. Maybe one day you will and for your sake I hope you do. But looking at God through human logic is a 100% recipe for diseaster. You will get it wrong every time. And thats why I don't expect you to understand why people suffer. But just no it's not God's fault. He owes us nothing. By his standard we should all be dead. Me included.

To all of you people commenting on this post:

IT IS NOT THAT ** SERIOUS, GET A LIFE!

#1 here -
Well said #2!

#14 - Please go back and read where I recanted and said I don't need proof... but let's put that aside and continue,
I'm not trying to convince you to change your beliefs, just trying to understand them.
You say "The Bible is proof."
The Bible was written by over 40 different people. There are more than 300 direct contradictions within it. Other writings with that many errors are cast aside as nonsense.

If the Bible has remained completely unchanged, why are there so many different versions of it? Theologians argue that even slight changes in text produce profound differences in meaning.

The Bible is also, by far, the most stolen book.
A Cardinal Sin, damning you banishment from Heaven forever and always. Ironic, isn't it?

"And as far Scientist being convinced about life outside earth is irrelevant. Who cares if they are convinced. It's all theory. "
"Oh and about traveling to Mars. It would be just as useless to the human society as our travel to the moon. "
You brought it up first.
I still hold that Religion is a theory too.

Medical advances go far beyond overpriced pharmaceuticals. Brain surgury, limb reattachments, conjoined twin separations, etc...

As for morals, I am not a liar, nor am I two-faced. Having ** before marriage is not illegal. Niether is abortion. The Jews, (who most would agree are some of the worlds most pious) believe that life does not begin until the first breath is taken. I do too.

My faith in evolution is every bit as steadfast as your faith in God. (This puts us dangerously close to the proof issue again)
Sure, you can poke holes, but let's not overlook the gaps left in your theories.

As to the house analogy (correct me if I'm wrong),
A baby is born with a horrible, painful, disfiguring disease and lingers in the ICU for months before finally dying... and you say, "It was God's will."
God wanted that child to suffer?!? That was your God's will?!?

#1 This is #2,

I'll take a guiness but sure!

#14
Exodus 21 verse 7,
Are you okay if someone sells their daughter into slavery? The bible says its okay, therefore it is an okay moral choice.

I'm not going to mock you, but I want to know, do you advocate that women who kiss women should be put to death? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Saul say something like that?

Morality, according to the bible is not subjective, you are supposed to follow each and every thing like it says, correct?

Then I challenge you, verse for verse, follow every law of the bible, because God's law supersedes man's law, correct? Acts 5, verse 29.

The Bible has been rewritten and translated so many times, unless you can find the original scripts, you can't guarantee there hasn't been just a little bit of meddling.

I recently had a tract handed to me by a group called axetotheroot.com, a group you may enjoy looking into, they are a very moral group, very spiritually based. A more joyful group of christians you will never meet! (sarcasm, they almost act like they enjoy the concept of judgment.)

I will agree with you about evolution not being proven, adaptation though has, I think a God who would create life, would create life capable of being strong enough to survive catastrophe.

We know there is water outside of Earth's atmosphere, Mars has ice caps. I agree with you though, unless we could completely terraform the landscape, its kinda pointless to send anything there.

Morality in the bible is stern, strict, uncompromising. I am not saying you are wrong to follow it, if you believe it is right, what I am saying is if you believe it is all God's word and command, you have to follow it word for word, no compromising, no saying "But thats illegal!", because to say that means you place man's law above God.

I agree the house analogy is a stupid analogy.